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[*Lassie*]

Dree levels of criteria  😉

https://www.resources.dogclub.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2438.0.h

[Anonymous]

Gawd, i am soooo out of my depth here. LOL There is so much info on this thread i can’t take it all in. I haven’t read it all through just yet but i’m going to because it’s really gripping. I just wish i understood you all.  :surprise: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Dree]

[quote author=kizkiznobite link=topic=12456.msg241319#msg241319 date=1221753357]
A dog is as capable of moving out of a down back to you if necessary, as it is from a stand.

no….my dogs are highly cued…my dogs would not..they have martini cues…so if cued to a down then in a down they would stay…but i dont go that far…i would not expose them to that risk….
[/quote]

So your dogs are not trained to down on command, and then follow up with another behaviour if necessary?  You said to me that the down was two commands….the stop and the down.  Your “highly cued” down is a Down Stay….which is three commands according to you…stop, down, and stay there.  I don’t ask my dogs for a Down Stay….I ask for a down, from which I can re-command if necessary.

[*Lassie*]

[quote author=Mark. link=topic=12456.msg241410#msg241410 date=1221767522]
Gawd, i am soooo out of my depth here. LOL There is so much info on this thread i can’t take it all in. I haven’t read it all through just yet but i’m going to because it’s really gripping. I just wish i understood you all.  :surprise: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
[/quote]

Don’t worry Mark I have got lost on some parts, especially on some of Bev’s shorthand  😉 :ok:

[Dree]

C5 is Criteria level 5
+D is plus distractions.  😉
[/quote]

Thank-you.  At 5 months old, I honestly can’t remember how strong her training was.  The only thing that was strong enough at that time was the down.  I certainly proofed the rest, as she worked Ticket and was placed in Ticket.

[Mudgie]

what i cant understand is how a trainer that trains dogs every day – doesnt know about criteria  :-\

[SuzAndTheDiva]

Still confused but Bev maybe you help me out here.

I agree a stop is a stop a down is a down I would NEVER use a down as a stop cue for this following reason.

Honey doesnt like fireworks -this time last year was only her stop cue that stopped her being killed………she jumped out my arms dragged a lead away from me and shot into the road – stop and recall was only thing that stopped her being smashed to pieces on the road…..if id downed her as a stop – by time shed got up car would of hit her……….by more luck than anything she listened to both cues and got her arse back onto the pavement…………….maybe thats the wrong way of looking at it……….but for me stop means stop – dead right where you are, then if possible i will throw in another cue – sometimes works sometimes doesnt, i confess shes as good as i can get her……….shes far from perfect..

I dont like to add too much – my training efforts are way below everyones, we dont really do training – but she does have an ok stop –  :ok:

[Dree]

[quote author=kizkiznobite link=topic=12456.msg241297#msg241297 date=1221750106]

…. but i would rather have the option of another dozen ‘martini’ cues to chose from than go in to an aversive technique that also then risks an extinction on other cued behaviours

[/quote]

What is aversive about an instant down???  It doesn’t risk extinction of other behaviours.  (If you lose other behaviours, then they’re not taught very well, imo.)

[Dree]

[quote author=Mudgie link=topic=12456.msg241420#msg241420 date=1221768087]
what i cant understand is how a trainer that trains dogs every day – doesnt know about criteria  :-\
[/quote]

Ummm, who said I didn’t understand criteria?  I don’t understand shorthand, but I understand criteria.  :ok:

[Kerry_and_Beau]

hey cj you still with us hun? or you given up?

[.dodger.]

maybe a split topic is needed for the training debate and for cjane’s original problem. :agree:

[Izzie]

Yep, this is getting confusing now! ::)

[Dree]

[quote author=kizkiznobite link=topic=12456.msg241319#msg241319 date=1221753357]

and you havnt replied re my response re UCR and US re risk and my pup…..heyho…

[/quote]

Well, heyho…..I go on holiday tomorrow, and I have four dogs and a pup here….and I had a shopping to do….clothes to put in the caravan, etc., etc.  Still have not done the judging sheets for hubby’s judging of Champ C on Saturday, which I’d better do.  I can’t sit here and answer questions as they arise.  I wish!!  :yes:  If you explain what UCR and US is, we can discuss….if I still have time.  I don’t think, as I said to someone else, that behaviourist (or clicker) jargon, should get in the way of *everyone* understanding what we’re talking about.  (Although I think I have responded to it?  :crazy:  Losing the plot!  ;D)

[Dree]

[quote author=*Lassie* link=topic=12456.msg241408#msg241408 date=1221767471]
Dree levels of criteria  😉

https://www.resources.dogclub.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2438.0.h
[/quote]

Cheers.  I use them all the time, but I don’t use shorthand.  I like people to understand what I’m talking about, and talking in abbreviations helps no-one.  Imo.

[*Lassie*]

If you explain what UCR and US is,

That’s the bit I got lost on :confused:

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