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  • #109833
    kizkiznobite
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    [quote author=deebee link=topic=12781.msg246718#msg246718 date=1224845847]
    and shouted that they were friendly so i let him off.

    #109834
    kizkiznobite
    Member

    went on walk and met a pack of 2 lab x collie  2 little things and 3 people. i saw them 1st and had him on long line. 2 of them came charging up and one stopped to greet while the other ran back abit. they had tried recall (didnt work) and shouted that they were friendly so i let him off. the collie came up, max was rude and she told him so. good?
    well not really as the man yelled at her. explaining that she was telling him not to be rude fell on deaf ears. as she did it again he told her off big time and put her on lead. max got distracted by a less confident dog.
    i tried again and said it was like me going up to one of them and goosing them and them getting told off for reacting. i waited till i felt he would hear my recall and they tutted that i shouldnt have let him off lead.  Angry

    #109835
    deebee
    Member

    no its not you. its me. i dont know to what you are alluding. not being awkward. i know you are trying to make me work it out but i cant.

    this is my take
    you said he must socialise, as long as i’m happy and the other owner is happy, go play. i did that. they were not a threatening pack, not very well cued, but they arent round here. precious little chance of meeting other dogs, so when we do i judge the situation and act.

    other time would have been when he met jrt and italian greyhound, same place. kept him on lead, they were off and i.t went nuts up and down past max.

    #109836
    kizkiznobite
    Member

    ok..hun sure he has to socialise…but what i also said is if you know a cue is going to fail then dont use the cue yes?

    #109837
    deebee
    Member

    [quote author=kizkiznobite link=topic=12781.msg246824#msg246824 date=1224870173]
    and shouted that they were friendly so i let him off. [/quote]

    whats this got to do with him failing a cue? iwas socialising as you said to. he was on long line and knew it, didnt attempt to run to them, they came to him. the one that came right up he greeted nice. thats when they said they friendly.

    i didnt use any cue that i thought would fail.

    im on cse level arent i. not degree level. i feel out of my depth.

    #109838
    kizkiznobite
    Member

    sorry..it must be me…i read so i let him off …and assumed you had taken him off the long line  :-\

    #109839
    deebee
    Member

    i did. how can he go play otherwise? plus, i didnt want him to be the only dog restricted while the other 5 were off lead.

    if he was off lead to start with he would have legged to them and met them half way . hes not cued for to stay with me off lead yet.. if he should be, would love to know . . . . his self reward of going to them so high.

    my head hurts.

    #109840
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi,

    you say that you dont have control of him off lead – so why did you let him off then, especially after the other dog failed its cue so you knew their owner didnt have control either ??

    you are letting him have the behaviours you dont want (running away from you uncued) and you have no cues to call him back – because if you do use them and they dont work (which sounds likely) you have set him up to fail.

    Claire.

    #109841
    deebee
    Member

    god, i wish i had a video of how it happened

    #109842
    Anonymous
    Guest

    hi,

    dont need one hun 🙂

    i see what you’re trying to say – that you feel you read the situation correctly and the man was a bit of a git 😉  thats fine …

    but – you say yourself if he wasnt on lead he would have raced off over to them dogs anyway, yes ?  and you wouldnt have been definately able to recall him, yes ?  (ie: you would have had to pick your moment / risk failing)

    so – if you know the other dogs aint under control coz they fail their cue and you know your dog wont be when you let it off – why let it off ?

    I know you are desperate for him to meet – but choose and use people 🙂

    1 – choose who, these dogs have already shown you they are not under control, plus there are alot of them – then you find guy shouty, then unreceptive …. how many clues do you need that these aint the ones to soc with ??

    2 – so if you choose not to soc then you use them for training – use them for your “dog work” to get your leaveits good and your heelwork and and and …. proofed with other dogs about walk past them and thats that onto next meeting and you build up better cues – not the idea that everytime you meet dogs he can get let off and do what he likes  😀

    Claire x

    #109843
    deebee
    Member

    i do not have close or stay by off lead. thats why he was on lead. he did not run off. he couldnt. i let him off lead to go play when they were with him, he didnt go running to them. i understand that by using a cue at the wrong time could result in a fail. i didnt, he didnt fail.

    #109844
    Anonymous
    Guest

    hi,

    i am lost then … what did he do that the mans dog shouted at him for ???

    and what did you do to get him back under control / on the lead ?

    claire x

    #109845
    GSPmad
    Member

    I THINK (and I may be wrong – I am the book on how not to do it  😀 ) you haven’t set him up to fail for the recall, but have for the greet nice if there was a grumpy greet bit.  ??? cos he needs to be learning how to greet nice from well socialised dogs. Though I know you said you thought it was a reasonable doggy telling off – in which case then maybe it wasn’t a fail.  :-\ Or maybe it is because he *COULD* have naffed off when you let him off – hence you would have had an extinction and he would have learnt he doesn’t have to listen to you – that might be what Bev was trying to get at – IYSWIM – ie you didn’t have a fail but you risked one by letting him off at this point? Not sure, I am completely confused now.  😀 But I think the second of what I have written sounds more likely that the first now I look again.  🙂

    #109846
    *Nick*
    Member

    deebee, you did fine. Don’t stress out. Dogs work it out, we’re usually in the way.     How did you feel your dogs “dogspeak” was?  Did he/she read the situation well?      

    When me and the monster are out and about, we don’t meet people, we meet dogs.  I couldn’t give a rats ass about the other dogs owners. It’s not in my power to control their dogs so I don’t try. All I try and do is control or guide my own dog, that’s all we can do.

    Again, don’t worry about other people, people blowdeadbears.    

    One thing you can do is learn to read a dogs body language, then you can judge the situation on your own and not rely on another useless human.  Kiz, has a very good but difficult quiz on body language.

    Again, relax don’t stress out ,don’t over control your dog, and ignore the humans—they don’t matter.  🙂

    #109847
    deebee
    Member

    1-choose who.   i did not follow them home and ask for tea. they were calm dogs.

    2- selection.    yep, done that over and over. this pack was ok, owners werent. they reacted to one of theirs taking umbrage to max’s nose up bum greet.

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