Worming and fleas and skin- not urgent

[SuzAndTheDiva]

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[quote author=SuzAndTheDiva link=topic=11873.msg229329#msg229329 date=1215587336]
agree with bev re the steroids and antibis  :-\ bev would it be worth her trying some natural anti bis? cant remember what you say to use?

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Olive leaf extract .. or something like that –  we have used it before.. is good
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Thanks hun thats EXACTLY what I was thinking of this morning  :-*

Angela you didnt answer my question re the burns  😉  :-*

And Zerlinda your right – my vet wanted to do tests on Honey – which would of showed up what? nothing im guessing since I dont think they test for dogs to be allergic to vegetables  >:D I would of spent HUNDREDS to be no further along. It IS hard really hard dealing with allergies, ive sat here sometimes and cried my eyes out over Honye, because I simply couldnt bear to see her tearing herself to pieces any more.

Angela – the border I posted about – spoke to her granny today, on my advice shes had piriton since saturday – already looking better and hers looks jyst like tobys  :-* now they just got to find out what sparked it  😉

[Kerry_and_Beau]

oh thats good suz about the other lady and her doggy getting better with piriton, nows the hard part though i guess  🙂

there were no skin probs with beau just everything just went right through him he’d eat ok then whoosh runs for days and weight gone so he was skin & bone, even when we got some weight back on people would comment on him  :-\ but he looking good now  ;D

[SuzAndTheDiva]

Honey had bad tummy on most commercial dog foods, and tripe – tripe goes straight through her, but toherwise we have been very lucky with her tummy – she still a skinny madam though  :-\

[TobyTeaCosy and Angela]

Hi everyone,

We started on antibiotics this morning, two weeks worth hopefully to clear it up and in the meantime I am going to look into olive leaf extract and other alternatives.  I am thinking allergy now too which the antibis clearly won’t help but hopefully will clear up what is currently there, we are where we are and I need to put our confidence in the antibios for now to clear up the skin, then look at what we are putting in.  I know many will not agree and in my heart of hearts I know you are right but we needed the support of the vet as first time dog owners.  I am keen to do some more research to call other vets in the area and find one with specialism in homeopathy, we both young and need the support of someone that can physically look at him, I hope you will appreciate that I respect and value all advice we have received here but am sure you all know that these things can be a big worry, we have few dog owning friends to look to for support and have struggled to get decent photos of our little wriggly worm-dog.

OK, on an average day I feed Burns twice a day, he has training treats  throughout the day, a few at a time, usually small pieces of chicken leftover, baked liver or cheese, all very small portions.  He loves apple and maybe has a few small squares once a week when I have an apple at supper time, only other extras are a bone once or twice a week for teeth cleaning, almost always pork rib, also maybe once a week a raw egg, again a real treat, he loves them.  Also give oil on a bone day with the Burns.  I know re mixing natural and commercial, re Burns wouldn’t know what else to treat with though as dont think any of the commercial treats are likely to be any good.  This skin complaint did start three months after feeding Burns, not sure if this is a long enough lead time to be cause? 

Would love to hear from those that do feed Burns re treats and other extras. 

[GSPmad]

i fed burns to dorain once – switched him over gradually – and i know it’s meant to be a good one but it gave him the worst colitis he has ever had – as in mulberry slush (think it is past teatime now  ;D ) and he also started with his cystitis problems at that time.  :-\

thing is – if your dog is sensitive to any one of those things you feed him – whichever it is – it can cause the reaction. say if he’s sensitive just to pork. or just to apple. or just to rice…  if you see what i mean. though there can be multiple things – think honey reacts to quite a few doesn’t she suz?

[SuzAndTheDiva]

yep Honey reacts to all sorts – in varying degreees of reactiveness  🙂

three months is plenty of time – honey gradually got worse over six months on burns. its good food – but definately not for her, mainly because shes a bit reactive to rice, and while a bit on its own say once is a week is fine – every day every week is too much for her.

You have to test it – Honey ate a lovely bland diet for ages, when first put her on raw i tried all sorts, and she improved dramatically-  but not clear, thats when Bev and Val helped, and worked out re the sugars etc etc – you should read the topics is a couple of them and they explain it really well.  Even now im testing foods, ie the butternut squash – thats a no go ever bad bad reaction (on par with the carrots) parsnip ok, beans and broccolli and sprouts-  all ok. And it gets more complicated, as in she can eat small amounts now of things that previously made her bad – but she couldnt eat them all the timelike terrier meal  🙂

Totally understand your need to have the vets support, i been there done that – only i got nowhere, no where at all, which is when Bev and Val jelped. We are here if you need us – Bev would it be good idea if she helps his immune system while hes on the antibis – what do you suggest? sorry i can never remember selenium or something i think.

When was he last vaccinated angela?

[Anonymous]

That was a really bouncy brain jamming topic Honey and the sugar  ;D the old grey matter really bump started on that topic.
Angela a at the very least feed him some natural yogurt put back some of the good flora because AB will strip this gut of them

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yep Honey reacts to all sorts – in varying degreees of reactiveness  🙂

three months is plenty of time – honey gradually got worse over six months on burns. its good food – but definately not for her, mainly because shes a bit reactive to rice, and while a bit on its own say once is a week is fine – every day every week is too much for her.

You have to test it – Honey ate a lovely bland diet for ages, when first put her on raw i tried all sorts, and she improved dramatically-  but not clear, thats when Bev and Val helped, and worked out re the sugars etc etc – you should read the topics is a couple of them and they explain it really well.  Even now im testing foods, ie the butternut squash – thats a no go ever bad bad reaction (on par with the carrots) parsnip ok, beans and broccolli and sprouts-  all ok. And it gets more complicated, as in she can eat small amounts now of things that previously made her bad – but she couldnt eat them all the timelike terrier meal  🙂

Totally understand your need to have the vets support, i been there done that – only i got nowhere, no where at all, which is when Bev and Val jelped. We are here if you need us – Bev would it be good idea if she helps his immune system while hes on the antibis – what do you suggest? sorry i can never remember selenium or something i think.

When was he last vaccinated angela?
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[SuzAndTheDiva]

Lol Val – is good to keep the brain active eh  ;D will try and find the topic must be in health somewhere………..

[SuzAndTheDiva]

right search for the thread ‘For Joly’ ignore the first three or four pages, is chatter about Lhasa topknots sadly minus the pics  😀

Then it gets interesting – some of its babble, from me, but Val and Bevs posts are incredibly interesting. And we did try re the tripe but went through her – Val I noticed you put about Nux Vomica if the tripe didnt help (which obviously it didnt) I wont hijack you can always pm me if you want but why would that help Honey? Anyway back to Toby – id say go read the thread Angela, and is worth lloking at my thread on Vaccinations and Honeys skin – hence me asking re tobys vaccs 😉

Im not suggesting you read it to change your mind re the antibis – BUT I wish I had something like that to read when I had the start of Honeys problems  :-*

[TobyTeaCosy and Angela]

He was last vaccinated at the shelter kennels so that would have been seven to eight months ago now, have his card somewhere I think so I will have a check, always have natural yog in for my lunch so thanks Val will def do that and look up your posts Suz  :-*

[SuzAndTheDiva]

enjoy – they quite a read  😀 whatever you do dont have him vaccinated until you know for certain what the problem is – hugs to Toby from Honey  :-*

[TobyTeaCosy and Angela]

Hi everyone,

We went back to the vet last night and Toby is doing much much better, his muzzle looks clear again and some hair regrowth which is encouraging, his ears are improving but more slowly so we have a further two weeks antibiotics and steroids and am keeping a close eye on him and he happily has the yogurt too.  I was disappointed vet recommended another two weeks of treatment but if it clears it up we will feel happier. 

Have read your thread re Honey Suz, took my a while to realise your name change, very interesting reading, esp re things like cucumber etc, I want to get this cleared up then once back to normal no itchies have another look at diet.  In the meantime have been feeding Burns with dried liver or baked chicken for treats and have cut out the cheese and apples etc so that we concentrate on clearing this up, then will review carefully to look for any patterns.  Vet agreed as precautionary but she thinks now it clearing and crustiness has fallen away it looks fungal, still not ruling out allergy but if his ears don’t clear up a bit more in the next two weeks I think we might have to look at an alternative.

[GSPmad]

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  Vet agreed as precautionary but she thinks now it clearing and crustiness has fallen away it looks fungal, [/quote]

in that case did she say why she thought antibiotics and steroids had produced an improvement?  ???

glad the boy’s doing better.  :-* you can do without stress of sick dad and sick dog.  :-*

[TobyTeaCosy and Angela]

I asked that Terry because I would have thought AB and steroids can bring on fungal infection like in humans, she thinks the two perhaps different but as the muzzle was worse and it clearing we continue for two weeks, then review ears, they not been crusty like muzzle.  If this has told me anything then it to question everything we do carefully, like when I go to GP if they suggest AB for a cold I’d obv question so same with the pooch too!  His nose he was scratching til bleeding so just relieved not to see him writhing on it and trying to poke it under the sofas for a good scratch

[Anonymous]

yep that must have been awful and its obviously relieved it alot so thats gotta be good even if we’re not quite sure why 😉

have PM’d you with a suggestion re: vets + local doggy ppl 🙂

Claire x

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